tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5603152282016051647.post864530448236104343..comments2019-03-24T09:47:42.629-07:00Comments on Politics and Religion: Bullshitting With Friends: The Republican Party Establishment v. the Democratic Party EstablishmentPhat Jimhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/09151703524818828602noreply@blogger.comBlogger5125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5603152282016051647.post-56056507068923083582010-04-03T13:16:49.725-07:002010-04-03T13:16:49.725-07:00Actually, MSNBC gives three hours to Joe Scarborou...Actually, MSNBC gives three hours to Joe Scarborough every morning, and he's a dyed in the wool conservative. Don't get me wrong, I'm glad that MSNBC figured out that by moving left they get more ratings. By the way, I don't look to MSNBC for information - I use the internet to look up shit.Phat Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09151703524818828602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5603152282016051647.post-33287870366185791192010-04-03T12:58:04.068-07:002010-04-03T12:58:04.068-07:00Oh, and I can't take your comments about Fox s...Oh, and I can't take your comments about Fox seriously...yes, they are well right of center...so much so that I don't watch them. I can't take them seriously...but MSNBC is as far Left and yet you don't seem to have an issue quoting them or turning to them for information. <br /><br />The "movement" against the census is silly and clearly not anyting that is real. It is like saying all the Tea Party members are racist and that is why they are against the president. Are their some? Sure, but it is a very small minority. <br /><br />Saying that the Tea Party or the Republicans or Conservatives are all like the crazies is like saying all Dems or Progressives are like George Soros or Jessie Jackson.Bogarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03239349739202059474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5603152282016051647.post-37070793016490048682010-04-03T12:53:54.741-07:002010-04-03T12:53:54.741-07:00From the begining of the HC debate, House Repub...From the begining of the HC debate, House Repub's were shut out. Rangle and Waxman crafted a deal, behind closed doors, and then brought it out to the floor. Republican leadership were told that unless they were okay with a public option, then there was nothing to talk about. <br /><br />The GOP even sent a letter to President Obama to request a meeting to discuss ideas. They never heard back. The president only made an effort after the opinion polls started to come crashing down. <br /><br />The Senate was not quite as bad, but clearly if they could not even find a way to pick off Snowe or Grassley, then they were not really willing to make concessions.Bogarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03239349739202059474noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5603152282016051647.post-52690181909942076942010-03-31T18:09:00.935-07:002010-03-31T18:09:00.935-07:001) A minor correction - It wasn't Obama trying...1) A minor correction - It wasn't Obama trying to get Republican support so much as it was the Senate Dems, who were cheered on by Obama. But of course, I'm happy to read your rebuttal.<br /><br />2) A good portion of the money being raised by the tea partiers isn't going to pay for GOP campaigns, its being turned into profit. As David Frum points out, Fox doesn't work for the GOP, the GOP works for Fox. <br /><br />Here's one point I forgot to mention in my original post - the GOP grassroots for 120 years were doctors, small business owners, and the like. These aren't people that politicians ignore, and so the GOP got into the habit of listening to their grassroots. If I wanted to categorize you, Bogart, you'd fit into this category as a traditional grassroots Republican.<br /><br />The tea partiers aren't typical GOP grassroots - they're older, some are unemployed, and were brought into the Party by the GOP's stances on social issues. <br /><br />3) The redistricting thing would be ominous but for the nutty crusade against the Census, which is artificially depressing the count in socially conservative areas. <br /><br />And actually, the Census is a good example of what I'm talking about. No Republican officeholder has gone on Rush Limbaugh or Glenn Beck and reminded the base that failing to submit Census forms means less votes apportioned in conservative areas, and helps the Democrats. Instead, they're either silent on the issue, or go into full conspiracy mode.Phat Jimhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09151703524818828602noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-5603152282016051647.post-29604120662907352012010-03-31T17:42:51.833-07:002010-03-31T17:42:51.833-07:00While I am sitting in an airport and typing away o...While I am sitting in an airport and typing away on my blackberry, I will not be able to offer a full rebuttal, but I will tell you that #1. Saying Pres Obama "tried to get Republican support" for HC reform is revisionist history (will explain later). #2. While I am not a tea party member, I agree with them more than I disagree and can clearly see how the money they are stirring up will be very useful this fall. #3. The national elections are less important to me this fall than the state legislature elections...all I have to say right now is for you to be afraid, be very afraid about the wave that is coming. Redistricting is very powerful!Bogarthttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03239349739202059474noreply@blogger.com